613
I'm hearing more and more condemnation of the concept of the 613 commandments found in the Torah. First of all let me say that it's only what are called the Orthodox Jews keeping them. Not the non religious and not I don't think the average "Reformed" or "Conservative" Jew. Very few Christian leaders are encouraging keeping the 613 that I know of. Only some 6% of Jews are Orthodox.
It was Maimonides who came out and accounted for the 613 number and he lived a long time ago. Nobody is supposed to keep all 613 of them. One reason not is because some deal with priests in the physical temple and since no physical temple exists it is not possible to perform them.
Jesus however did. He lived when there was a temple. Early Christians also did live when there was a temple and in the early book of Acts we see them going to the temple and keeping the law as did Paul who was involved in keeping and paying for others to keep the Nazarene vows.
It is Jesus who says he who teaches keeping the least of the commandments will be great in the kingdom. He teaches the spiritual keeping of the commandments not just the letter of the law. For example lusting after a married woman is discouraged. Hating someone is murdering them in your heart.
So I'm not so convinced that the bride of Christ should be condemned from having a interest and knowledge and keeping where appropriate the commands of the Torah. We are told in the Bible that the law shall go out from Jerusalem and a Gentile will grab hold of a Jew and demand he teach them some Torah.
How can we know what sin is if we do not have the commandments?
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Permalink Reply by Rod on -
One of the great discoveries in Bible archology in the last thirty years was that Jesus was Jewish! Couldit be that one of the great discoveries will be that the early Christians were Torah observent?
The first indication that they were were still following Torah and worshiping at the Temple was when they appeared there to celebrate the Festival of Pentacost called Shavu'ot. Acts 2:1, "When the Day of Pentacost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place."
While most Christins believe that the holy sperit occuted in the Upper Room, the Upper room was where the deciples were lodging Acts 1:12-13, " Then they returned in Jerusalem to the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem. a Sabbath day's journey. And when they had , they went up into the upper room where they were staying."
True the upper room was used by the deciples as a place for prayer meetings: Acts 1:14 "These all continued with one accord in prayer and suplication, with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers."
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If you look up the word commandments you will find it used from the beginning of the New Testament to the end:
Act 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
1Cr 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
1Cr 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Col 4:10 Aristarchus my fellowprisoner saluteth you, and Marcus, sister's son to Barnabas, (touching whom ye received commandments: if he come unto you, receive him;)
1Th 4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
Tts 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jo 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jo 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
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Permalink Reply by Rod on
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1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
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