Kooky spooky stuff...
Ok. Calling all scholars!
Have you heard of people praying for the anointing that was on a departed soul? I have been around this stuff regularly. "I declare the anointing of Kathryn Kulman," or Elijah or Paul or whoever. And I do read that Elisha asked for a double portion of Elijah's anointing. However, do we not NOW have THE anointed and HIS anointing instead? Is a mere man's anointing GREATER and Christ's somehow lacking?
I have a MAJOR problem with this thinking. There are several friends who even believe you can go to a departed person's GRAVE and ask for that anointing to heal, cast out demons, raise the dead, prophesy, etc.
Is it me or is this NOT biblical?
Tags: anointing, doctrine, teaching, third, wave
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Permalink Reply by Jim London on
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Mindy, your term "kooky" is very aptly chosen. The Holy Spirit who dwells within those who are His, is, indeed, an anointing greater than we can imagine (1 Corinthians 1:21-22; 1 John 2:20; 4:13, etc, etc). It is He alone who decides how He will be manifested through us -- ours is to submit to/ embrace/ express Him in anything to which He calls us, as He desires. That is how God's purposes, centered upon His Son, will be gloriously achieved. It is not ours to try to persuade Him to set us up to do what we would prefer to do. To do the latter, I suggest, puts us at odds with Him -- a foolish place to choose!
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Permalink Reply by Mindy Wood on -
It's JIM! Ok...so I'm not religious, legalistic...I'm just putting this stuff up against scripture. To have them tell it, I'm bitter, hurt, and confused or just plane religious. Wow. Thanks for this! It's really scary to me and my heart breaks because people I know... ALOT of people I know are mixed up in this movement.
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Mindy, my sense is that always lurking, both in and around us, are the urgings to want power. But power comes only, in my understanding, from abiding in Christ, as a branch in the Vine. The power that comes through that, is to bear the fruit that only He produces, not what someone else wants us to produce or what someone else is producing.
Mindy Wood said:
It's JIM! Ok...so I'm not religious, legalistic...I'm just putting this stuff up against scripture. To have them tell it, I'm bitter, hurt, and confused or just plane religious. Wow. Thanks for this! It's really scary to me and my heart breaks because people I know... ALOT of people I know are mixed up in this movement.
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Permalink Reply by Mindy Wood on
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I've often that power is a big issue as well. Human nature wants control and worship of self. Very clear to me that it's all too easy to do so under the banner of "Christian" I'll never forget a pastor once said in his sermon, "Don't go out and make a name for yourself using God."
It's against our nature to be humble, surrendered, and led about like a child and yet that's what Jesus said, 'Unless you have the faith of a child," and so on. I'm still in a bit of shock over the things I see wrong in the culture I was raised...
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Permalink Reply by John Brown on -
Mindy,
What I believe you are looking for is that dividing line between what you can and should pray for versus what you cannot and should not pray for.
You can and should pray for what is known from scripture that you can. That is, has God made this available? If yes, pray for it, if not don't. ... and avoid those who delve into things not prescribed in scripture.
As to the folks you are describing in your first post, they are drifting off into the occult, necromancy to be specific. They are delving into things that are not scripturally described as available and even condemned.
You also raise other points, such as "the anointing" which I could answer but in such a short post I will defer. Suffice to say, many topics are grossly misunderstood in typical practice due to a lack of good biblical exegesis.
I'm not a religious person as some would judge, engaging in emotion and passion over good sense. While I possess all the so-called "gifts" you will never catch me engaging in behavior that would bring shame to the name of Jesus Christ and neither should anyone else. By our love for one another we should be known, not our weird behavior.
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Permalink Reply by Mindy Wood on
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Unfortunately I'm being known for my bold warnings and refusal to budge from the scripture I cite. I have a few who follow Heidi Baker, Bill Johnson, Patricia King...all who do practice so called "contemplative prayer" which is nothing more than astral project. Thinking they're talking to their assigned angels or speaking to God IN heaven they preach their messages and the people pour forth their adoration and money.
Now to you and me. We get it. We see that is absolutely NOT in scripture and even forbidden.
So I made the point that no one in the Bible ever INITIATED trips to heaven, contact with angels or left their bodies. It just happened by God's hand. I also said, 'miracles? So what. False prophets/teachers will perform signs.' He delete my comment and then blasted me on his wall. This is a familiar pattern...I post scriptures, he deletes them or refuses to answer them from a biblical stance.
It breaks my heart. I speak up. I warn. I really should pray for them more. Then I think to myself, 'well the prophets were beat up, stoned, ridiculed and murdered. Am I not willing to offend or tarnish my own reputation?'
Then of course I start searching my heart. I'm not perfect...my heart isn't perfect but I know truth from error and I love them. So what do you do? sigh.
p.s. PLEASE message me about the 'anointing' if you'd rather not place it here. I was raised in emotionalism and spiritualism and all the doctrines that support it. Just now finding my way out....
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Permalink Reply by Frank on -
This is just an objective comment I make here to put a different context on the discussion. I wonder what you make of the spirit of Elijah?
It was passed to Elisha on Elisha's own request, one faithless king tried to grasp it's power but failed, a dead man obtained it and leapt out of his grave, and John the baptist walked in the Spirit of Elijah. Where is the spirit of Elijah now I wonder?
"...And he will turn back many of the sons of Israel to the Lord their God. And it is he who will go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers back to the children, and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous; so as to make ready a people prepared for the Lord." Luke 1:16-17
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Permalink Reply by Mindy Wood on
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Hmmm. Good point. I don't know!
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Permalink Reply by John Brown on
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Mindy,
p.s. PLEASE message me about the 'anointing' if you'd rather not place it here. I was raised in emotionalism and spiritualism and all the doctrines that support it. Just now finding my way out....
Apparently, on this website you cannot send a message to anyone who is not on your friends list. (I sent you an invite.) However, you can go to my blog and use the contact form URL http;//straightbible.org or my email j.brown@straightbible.org directly.
Yes, you and I do come from very different sectors of the Christian experience! Yet, we're on the same page in many things. We are unified by our common response to the good news (gospel) of Jesus Christ but I have spent the last 50 years seeking deeper understanding of the apostle's doctrine, not chasing feelings based spiritual experience. Having the spirit greatly manifested in a person's life is for the building up of the whole body of Christ. Chasing the experience itself has no benefit to others. There is a purpose to all that God has given but it's not for an experience to prove the presence of the spirit in a person or in a meeting. So much to share ... so little space.
As to the phrase "in the spirit and power of Elijah" it is really very simple from the perspective of how Hebrews think and talk (not how westerners think). The expression simply means that the power that Elijah exhibited in his ministry would be the power John the Baptist would exhibit. It's just a Hebraic manner of speaking to compare one thing to another.
It does not mean that there was a specific spirit in Elijah which was held in God's hands after he died and then reincarnated into John the Baptist. That would be drawing from the Greek philosophers in rhetoric mixed with a bit of mythology and mysticism. The Hebrews were sometimes so simple but we complicate things by our western thinking caps, an adornment alien to Middle Eastern thinking. Perhaps this helps. Bless!
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