Slaughter of the Innocents
I thought that title would get your attention. The discussion is: TURKEYS. Yes, we celebrate with family every year in a gathering that is meant to give thanks to God, and we eat a lot of turkeys. Do we actually have any idea what happens each year to mass produce these birds for our consumption? Does God have concern for animals and how they are treated? I'd love to hear both sides. For those opposed to eating turkeys, please give your theology behind your stance. Those FOR the eating of turkeys, please give your best recipe.
And, for more serious discussion, try the group "Green for God" http://www.simplechurch.com/group/greenforgod
Here is a news story and video from yesterday about cruelty to the birds that are about to hit our plates: http://www.wsaz.com/home/headlines/34778624.html
And, for more serious discussion, try the group "Green for God" http://www.simplechurch.com/group/greenforgod
Here is a news story and video from yesterday about cruelty to the birds that are about to hit our plates: http://www.wsaz.com/home/headlines/34778624.html
Tags: animal, slaughter, turkey
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Permalink Reply by Dena Brehm on -
Almost snarfed my coffee on the screen...! Bwa-ha-ha-ha!
I've got a great duck joke -- I may share it tomorrow... gotta sleep.
Sorry, Nik -- Rick and I came and desecrated your serious thread here..!
I've already had veal, and sheep, and beef expose-d for me... I don't know if I wanna know about turkeys, too.
We get ours from up the hill ... raised in comfort, runs free, gets named and all. I can't meet it, or watch it get killed, though they're humane about it (as humane as slaughtering can be, I suppose). Mark goes to help, but I have to see my food looking more encased in celophane. Inate. Inanimate. In plastic.
If I look it in the eye, I ain't eating it.
Tomorrow: ducks and guffaws.
Shalom, Dena
Rick Knock said:I was at a county fair recently. I'd just bought a duck & was walking along when someone asked, "Watcha doin with that turkey?" I said, "It's a duck." He replied, "I was talkin to the duck." :)
God Bless!
Rick
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Permalink Reply by Jaimee on -
I think that as Christians and as the ones who have been given dominion over other living things, we have a responsibility to treat other creatures humanely and with respect. Even though I am a vegan, I believe that can include eating the animals. Part of the reason why it is so easy for me to be vegan is that the cost of organic free range meats can be extremely prohibitive, though for those who can afford to do so I think that is a good option, as is hunting in the wild.
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Permalink Reply by Nik P. on -
Claudia Labrador said:but I can't bother myself with putting animals on the same level as humankind
Yep, Gen 1: 27 So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
Humans have "Imago Dei," animals don't. I think that puts us on a higher level, but also gives us higher responsibility.
P.S. (I'm not a PETA activist, but I did attach the news clip as food for thought.)
And, thanks for the jokes too (I don't see any recipes yet, LOL)
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Permalink Reply by Dena Brehm on
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Ok, even though no one is demanding that I share it (I'm aghast!), here's my duck joke:
A duck waddles into a grocery store, walks up to the manager, and asks, "You got any grapes?"
The manager looks up, a bit startled to have a duck asking him such a question, and answers, "Um, nope. We're all out. we've got no grapes."
Duck says, "Ok" and waddles out of the store.
A few minutes later, the duck waddles back in to the manager and asks, "You got any grapes?"
The manager frowns, looks at the duck in frustration, and says, "No, I told you already, we don't have any grapes!"
Duck says, "Ok" and waddles out of the store.
A few minutes later, the duck again waddles back in to the manager and asks, "You got any grapes?"
The manager has had it, leans over the counter, glares at the duck, and shouts, "If you come in here one more time asking about grapes, I'm gonna nail your little webbed feet to the floor, you understand?!?"
Duck says, "Ok" and leaves the store.
A few minutes pass, and the duck waddles in, goes up to the manager, and says, "You got any nails?"
The manager roars, "NO!"
The duck grins, and asks, "You got any grapes?"
;)
Shalom, Dena
(the turkeys really like this joke...!)
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Permalink Reply by Tammie on -
I've used Martha's recipe for a few years now and it is the most flavorful I've ever had. She used to have it soak in an herbed brine for 24hrs first but I see that part of the recipe is gone now. I think the wine is what gives it such a good flavor, especially the gravy.
http://www.marthastewart.com/recipe/perfect-roast-turkey
...More on the slaughter of the innocents from a farm girl's perspective later.
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Permalink Reply by Tammie on
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I watched the video and was incensed at the ignorant workers killing turkeys for "stress relief". At first I thought they may have been killing diseased turkeys but then I heard the dialog. That being said the white chickens and turkeys of the corporate farms have had the brains bred right out of them while genetically selecting for the big breast and drumstick. Those turkeys have no clue what happened five minutes ago let alone contemplating the meaning of life and their impending death.
I do take issue with genetic engineering for improved type but that's another social network.
Btw, that organic "free range" poultry that cost so much more than the others are often not really free. They put a group together in little bottomless cages and move the cage around. I've heard the sales pitch about chickens that eat only grass and organic grains but that is really not a natural diet for them (they love bugs) and imho the meat is tasteless. If the people putting them in those cages don't move them often enough those chickens will be eating their own poop.
I grew up on a dairy farm and learned at an early age how to take care of livestock. We started at 5AM and if we went to the house for breakfast before every animal was milked, had food, fresh water and bedding we heard the "sermon" about how they were contained and not able to find food and water for themselves and yada yada yada for shame!
Though I am as outraged as any peta member about the mistreatment of an animal I don't think it's cruel to give an animal a pampered life and then humanely slaughter it for food. An animal who roams free does not appreciate the human concept of freedom and has a very hard life, especially in times of drought and over hard winters, constantly in search of food or in danger of becoming another animal's food.
And I wonder why animal rights activists don't take issue with those citified dogs who have never been free to be real dogs, always on a leash, waiting for someone to take them for a walk so they can pee. Why is it acceptable to cage train a puppy? Why is it ok for a cat to be kept inside an apartment, terrified if a roof is not over it's head. And putting them through major surgery for population control is humane?
What about bugs?
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Permalink Reply by Jaimee on
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BUGS?
The less humane the better!
Bah! Sue me. Organize PET...B whatever... Especially here in the south where you could saddle some of these suckers up and ride them into town!
: )
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Permalink Reply by Nik P. on
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I keep my spiders around in my corners to deal with my bugs. Voila.
But, if I had a pet chicken and let it eat the bugs. . . wait, that would be cruelty to keep a chicken locked up in an apartment this small. LOL
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Permalink Reply by Jaimee on
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You must be in.... Texas? We are in SC, came down here from Ohio. All we had up there were ants (you know if you left food all over the floor or something) and bees... I didn't know half the bugs we have down here even existed. I had never seen a roach except in the movies. Then the first morning we lived here, I went to turn on the coffee pot, and what I *thought* was a mouse ran across the counter!!! Ack! That is one of the major things about SC I would change. Ewwww, they are SO GROSS! :p There have been times I spot a bug (one of THOSE bugs) and actually contemplate whose shoe in my family is going to get the job done... Oh no! Daddy's not home, I guess my feet are next biggest, hmmm... not sure if my shoe is bigger than the bug though... Blech.
Claudia Labrador said:Jaimee, Come on down here and check out our bugs. We have roaches the size of half a dollar bill. We have grasshoppers bigger than a man's hand. We have spiders in every color imaginable, and as big if not tarantulas. And the list goes on... Saddle 'em up!! :)
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Permalink Reply by Tammie on
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One day a little moth flew in front of my face, I didn't know what kind of bug it was and my initial reaction was to let out an "ach!' and swat it but then I noticed it was a moth, with big eyes and it seemed to be hovering, looking right into my eyes, like it was curious and friendly. It may have been my imagination but that started me thinking...
Could it be these little creatures do have a personality? Their entire life cycle is only a season, sometimes only a day or two and I kill them for no good reason. Since then when I find a single bug in my house I capture them alive and take them outside.
Now ants, sorry, they have to die, I can't abide no infestation. I set out poison for them to take back and wipe out the whole colony. But I do feel bad about it... and spiders, I have to kill them because my big manly husband is terrified of them and I'm kind of scared of them too, I couldn't hold onto one long enough to get it outside, it might climb up the end of the fly swatter or something, much better to just smash it.
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Permalink Reply by Kathryn Berkowitz on -
Oh, wait..when I saw this topic I thought that maybe it was regarding the slaughter of the unborn. I am amazed at the number of animal rights activists who are pro abortion. But I digress.
Since the topic is the slaughter of turkeys, I would agree with those who believe all animals should be cared for and slaughtered humanely. It's impossible to find a good kosher butcher in my neck of the woods. But many people do raise their own free range chickens. Not so sure about turkeys.
What would Thanksgiving be like with tofu turkey ? Not much to be thankful for, in my opinion :)
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