"The Jerome Conspiracy"
Anyone else come across this book, or the conspiracy it exposes (which affects all of us)?:
http://thejeromeconspiracy.com/pdf/The_Jerome_Conspiracy.pdf (a 64-page excerpt of the book, in PDF form)
Here's what Amazon.com says about it: http://tinyurl.com/5w9j46
What's interesting is that it's paired up with "Pagan Christianity"... that means that a large number of people are buying them together, or that they're considered to be alike in nature ...
In summary, this book shows the connections between the Septuagint, the Babylonian and Egyptian versions of the Old Testament (they're not the same), the beliefs of the early Church, the influence (& agenda) of Jerome, how the Bible was altered, and the expose of the books of 2 Peter and Jude.
Fascinating...!
Shalom, Dena
"The unanswered questions aren't nearly as dangerous as the unquestioned answers."
http://thejeromeconspiracy.com/pdf/The_Jerome_Conspiracy.pdf (a 64-page excerpt of the book, in PDF form)
Here's what Amazon.com says about it: http://tinyurl.com/5w9j46
What's interesting is that it's paired up with "Pagan Christianity"... that means that a large number of people are buying them together, or that they're considered to be alike in nature ...
In summary, this book shows the connections between the Septuagint, the Babylonian and Egyptian versions of the Old Testament (they're not the same), the beliefs of the early Church, the influence (& agenda) of Jerome, how the Bible was altered, and the expose of the books of 2 Peter and Jude.
Fascinating...!
Shalom, Dena
"The unanswered questions aren't nearly as dangerous as the unquestioned answers."
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Permalink Reply by Chris Sterling on -
Thanks Dena, It looks interesting and more along the lines of what I have come to believe anyways. I am going to buy it tomorrow!
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Permalink Reply by Tammie on -
Hi Dena,
The word "conspiracy" in the title is enough to keep me from reading the book. It's such a sensational word, great for selling books to a certain niche in the market.
No denying the influence the elite educated had on the record left in history but I don't think the petty agendas of man can waylay God's plan and control of the history of His world.
I've read that Jerome's translation is credited for bringing the OT the christian church was using back to the original Hebrew. One guy I read speculated that Jerome didn't really hate jews, he wrote all those nasty things about jews so the rest of his contemporaries who were so anti-semitic wouldn't worry that he was going over to the other side trying to judaize their religion through scriptures. Whatever.
There has always been a remnant of peasants who know what they know and it didn't come from no book lern'n. They don't put much stock in the doctrines and educated guesses and speculation of scholars who read the writings of previous scholars who read the writings of previous scholars. -
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Permalink Reply by Sean Steckbeck on -
Is the simple church movement being taken over by Universalists?
Especially those in the West!
If this is true, I am happy I am more associated with those in the East ( Wolfgang, Victor Choudhrie, etc.). -
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Permalink Reply by Bill Wood on -
If y'all are interested I know a couple of dear brothers who did an expose of those that want to *rule* over the saints.
At their web-site, awildernessvoice.com you can read "The Great Ecclesiastical Conspiracy". It's quite interesting to see
how far the *church* has fallen, and the posturing which has taken place, and still takes place. -
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Permalink Reply by Tammie on
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Why do you ask?...Was it something I said?
Sean Steckbeck said:Is the simple church movement being taken over by Universalists?
Especially those in the West!
If this is true, I am happy I am more associated with those in the East ( Wolfgang, Victor Choudhrie, etc.). -
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Permalink Reply by Sean Steckbeck on
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No, the fact that this book can have so much weight on a forum like this...
I read the intro given here to the book, it looks horrible researched.
Even the way the book is written is not a professional theological work.
Its not a serious book.
It doesn't even mention Polycarp, Iraneus, and others.
It lowers theology to the point of a fictional story that is meant to grab the heart.
Its a book that Universalists would love.
Thats why I am asking why are so many people on this forum Universalists... is this the way simple church is going? -
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Permalink Reply by Chris Sterling on
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Sean,
How do you deal with people who believe differently than you? Does everybody you meet with believe that same way or do you accept differences? I don't know about you you but I don't believe the same way I did 5 years ago - I would hate to think that today I would not have anything to do with myself of 5 years ago. Is it possible that God loves everyone and that He will never give up on any human being?
If you are dare you can read this which might be a style more to your liking.
http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/COLDFUSION/booklet.cfm?PID=114
Origen died in the city of Tyre (253 A.D.). Though he has become the most well-known Universalist of the early Church, this is only because he was the most prolific writer and the most influential theologian of his day. It should be stressed, however, that he did not have to convince any of the Greek-speaking bishops that God would save all mankind. This teaching was not even an issue, because they all assumed it was true. If it had been considered to be heresy, they would have rejected him and excommunicated him for teaching it.
C
Sean Steckbeck said:No, the fact that this book can have so much weight on a forum like this...
I read the intro given here to the book, it looks horrible researched.
Even the way the book is written is not a professional theological work.
Its not a serious book.
It doesn't even mention Polycarp, Iraneus, and others.
It lowers theology to the point of a fictional story that is meant to grab the heart.
Its a book that Universalists would love.
Thats why I am asking why are so many people on this forum Universalists... is this the way simple church is going? -
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Permalink Reply by Sean Steckbeck on
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Chris,
Polycarp, a disciple of John, taught about a real Hell.
I don't care about what Origen taught---- by that time the church had lost its Jewish and organic identity.
I've researched this subject throroughly, and this humanistic age is taking advantage of people.
To answer your question, I fair very well with people who disagree with me.
Most of my disciples don't even know who the apostle Paul is yet.... and they ask fearful questions to most people.
I have heard more heresies in our meetings than anywhere else in the world.
You know what though... in their journey.... I establish good doctrine in discipleship and help them in their journey and am very patient and understanding.
Yet my disciples have also seen other people healed and have other disciples who already have other disciples... all not knowing who the apostle Paul is yet.
What I do not allow is established believers with bad doctrine who come to take advantage of the learning freedom and patience I give the sheep and particpatory meetings.
I will bounce them in a second! For the sake of the sheep and for the sake of the freedom of learning in their journey.
This freedom has to be protected.
Older believers with bad doctrine and purposes to teach that bad doctrine can derail a simple discipleship movement.
Victor Choudhrie once told me personally that it is the older believers who have left the institution that they need to protect the sheep from.... the new believers with all their bad theology never cause any problems. -
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Permalink Reply by Chris Sterling on
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Sean, I guess you answered my question
Sean said: Polycarp, I don't care about what Origen taught.....I've researched this subject throroughly, and this humanistic age is taking advantage of people.
You leave no room for any type of discussion - You have researched it thoroughly and know the answer. I guess you would not have a problem for me to think of you the way you think of our brother Origen. I hope one day your disciples become disciples of Jesus the only true teacher of men.
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Permalink Reply by Dena Brehm on -
Brilliant and astute observation, Chris.
Fortunately, the love of God prevails over all, including those who rail against the lavish and complete love of God.
Mercy triumphs over judgment. Always.
Can't wait to check into your link ... off to peruse!
Thanks for what you share, as always.
Shalom, Dena
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Chris Sterling said:Sean, I guess you answered my question
Sean said: Polycarp, I don't care about what Origen taught.....I've researched this subject throroughly, and this humanistic age is taking advantage of people.
You leave no room for any type of discussion - You have researched it thoroughly and know the answer. I guess you would not have a problem for me to think of you the way you think of our brother Origen. I hope one day your disciples become disciples of Jesus the only true teacher of men.
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Permalink Reply by Nik P. on -
I just read the Jerome Conspiracy and it seems quite persuasive, just like The DaVinci Code. So, what is the true crux of the arguement? Does it rest on the meaning of "eternal punishment" in Hellenistic Greek? I see that he takes this from Mt 25: 46, but are there any other teachings to shed light instead of making a decision on one passage?
As for the the arguements about what the early church fathers taught, can anyone tell me what the very earliest records of Jesus' followers are? How did they understand Jesus' teaching?
Thank you- Nik -
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Permalink Reply by Dena Brehm on
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Hi Nik -
I just realized (should've checked!) that the link is only an excerpt ... there's MUCH more in the whole book. Sorry! I misunderstood!
However, if you wanted to delve deeper into this issue, there is a free (& complete) online book called "Hope Beyond Hell": http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/http://...
I read it early into my study of "what the hell is hell". I read it (and other similar books) alongside some pro-endless-torment books -- it was a quite-wrenching number of months ... I literally lost a lot of hair. I spent sleepless hours, crying out to God to not let me deceived (whether that deception lay in what I was studying, or in what I'd previously been taught).
UR answered a lot of questions for me, and certainly brought me to a whole new level of intimacy with Papa. However, there were still questions ... which have been answered by also studying fulfilment eschatology. Suddenly, for the first time ever, all of Scripture falls into place, I'm infused with hope, I have love for all people (no more "us vs. them"), and I'm truly excited about the future -- for everyone...!
I like the fruit. :)
Shalom, Dena
Chaplain Nik said:I just read the Jerome Conspiracy and it seems quite persuasive, just like The DaVinci Code. So, what is the true crux of the arguement? Does it rest on the meaning of "eternal punishment" in Hellenistic Greek? I see that he takes this from Mt 25: 46, but are there any other teachings to shed light instead of making a decision on one passage?
As for the the arguements about what the early church fathers taught, can anyone tell me what the very earliest records of Jesus' followers are? How did they understand Jesus' teaching?
Thank you- Nik -
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