What was Jesus heavenly name before being born on earth as Jesus
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Permalink Reply by Tammie on -
In the Ascension of Isaiah he's called the Beloved.
http://www.pseudepigrapha.com/pseudepigrapha/AscensionOfIsaiah.html
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Permalink Reply by Connie on -
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bd/c/52
In this first section are OT references to Him.
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Permalink Reply by Dena Brehm on -
The Lamb? (who was slain from the foundation of the world)
The Christ? (certainly this reality of Him comes before, and lasts beyond, the historical Person we call Jesus -- though, that's not what His mama called Him...)
I'm inclined to think that God called Him "Me"... "I Am."
(what I'm also interested in, is what does God call us...!)
Shalom, Dena
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Permalink Reply by Dan W. Cawthon on -
Christopher Pridham said:Hi Dan,
His heavenly name before being born is... drum roll please... - Fred.
I hope this helps.
Chris
On a serious note - The only thing I have ever read that gave Him a name before being born on earth, said the name was Michael. Adonay and Eloheim were local names and understandings of God. Although why we think he even had a name is a puzzle to me - God's ways are not man's ways - I think this is more true than we know.
Fred bless!
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Permalink Reply by Dan W. Cawthon on
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Hello Chris,
Thanks for your comments. Maybe Jesus in heaven had the same press agent the Holy Spirit has and we don't know that much about who he was in the eons he spent with his father. But the thought comes crashing down on me of was their relationship father and son during this period of history? My belief is the Father and Son relationship began when he was born on earth as Jesus. Maybe you are right in asking the question "is Jesus heavenly name important?" To me it is if there is one. Some of my research found the typical information on Tetragammon symbol for the holy name of God. The word was not pronounced; however, scholars generally agree that the pronunciation [ancient Hebrew did not have written vowels; the ancients never pronounced the word]is Yahweh. In Hebrew: the word elohim is a general word for God or any god. YHWH are the four letters that appear as the special name for the God of revelation [Sinai and thereafter] among the Hebrew and then the Jewish people. Does YHWH apply to Jesus? If so, I would think he would have a name to distinguish Him from Yahweh?
God Bless
Dan
Dan W. Cawthon said:Christopher Pridham said:Hi Dan,
His heavenly name before being born is... drum roll please... - Fred.
I hope this helps.
Chris
On a serious note - The only thing I have ever read that gave Him a name before being born on earth, said the name was Michael. Adonay and Eloheim were local names and understandings of God. Although why we think he even had a name is a puzzle to me - God's ways are not man's ways - I think this is more true than we know.
Fred bless!
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Permalink Reply by Dena Brehm on
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Except ... doesn't "Yawshuah" fit the same pattern as Yaheh, and Jehova...?
Is there just more Oneness than we, living in this illusion of separation, can fathom?
Shalom, Dena
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Permalink Reply by Dan W. Cawthon on
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Hi Connie:
Thanks so much for the list of names for Jesus along with their references Although very insightful, it still does not address conclusively with a answer for his pre-Jesus name. These names are to my understanding other names for Jesus.
One name that was not on your list was "I Am", the answer he gave Moses when asked from the burning bush. But wasn't it the Father who talked to Moses. Maybe, but I think it was Jesus the more I think about it. And if he was, I'll just have to be happy to go by who He said was and call him the "I Am".
God bless you and yours
Dan
Connie said:http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bd/c/52
In this first section are OT references to Him.
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Permalink Reply by Dan W. Cawthon on
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Hi Tammie,
Thanks for the link you provided. Although it had a lot of good information it did not give an answer to my basic question. The link I got from Connie was actually more helpful in that gave many many names for Jesus and the references where they were made.
God Bless
Dan
Tammie said:In the Ascension of Isaiah he's called the Beloved.
http://www.pseudepigrapha.com/pseudepigrapha/AscensionOfIsaiah.html
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Permalink Reply by Dena Brehm on
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(Concidentally?), my friend from another forum wrote this:
Christ is from the Greek word for anointed, and Messiah transliterates the Hebrew word for anointed. I often use the neologism "Christed" as a synonym for anointed to emphasize the verbal or process sense of the word. It is quite proper to use the expression Jesus the Anointed for Jesus Christ and the anointed Jesus for Christ Jesus.
Both Hebrew and Greek have several different words that have been translated as anoint so it may be prudent to check original languages when comparing scriptures with the word anoint and its various grammatical forms. Christ is the anglicized form of the Greek Christos, a grammatical form of the verb chrio (anoint).
Any of us may become anointed, indeed in eternity we are all anointed.
Some passages with chrio:
In Luke 4:18 Jesus says "The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He has anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor."
Paul with Timothy and Silvanus wrote in 2 Cor. 1:21-22: Now he who establishes us with you in Christ [the Anointed] and has anointed us is God, who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a deposit.
In a universal declaration to mankind known a the First Epistle of John we find (2:24-27):
Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning, If what you heard in the beginning abides in you, you will also abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that He has promised us-- eternal life. These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you.
But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.
The passages above are from the NKJV. The NRSV and several other translations I compared are very similar. The Jerusalam Bible IMO makes 1 John 2:27 even clearer:
But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you,
and you do not need anyone to teach you;
the anointing that he gave teaches you everthing;
you are anointed with truth, not with a lie,
and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.
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Permalink Reply by Dan W. Cawthon on
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My dear friend Dena,
Good points about the other names "Yawshuah" and "Jehovah". I don't know but think they to be names for the Father. The bible tells about Jesus Christ "Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek". Maybe a clue of Jesus name lies in discovering who Melchizedek is? Maybe Melchizedek is Jesus and that would be his pre-incarnate name? However, I tend to agree with the author's conclusion that Mclchizedek is a man but the case that he was a theophany is presented also. Please read:
http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/melchizedek.htm
An important note is what the article's author says and I concur is:
Whoever Melchisedec is, we must be careful that we do not get so caught up in the details that we lose sight of the author's teaching and purpose: which was to show that Jesus' priesthood is superior to Aaron's in many ways, but especially in regards to the fact that Jesus' priesthood has salvific power, while Aaron's did not.
God bless you Dena
Dan
Dena Brehm said:Except ... doesn't "Yawshuah" fit the same pattern as Yaheh, and Jehova...?
Is there just more Oneness than we, living in this illusion of separation, can fathom?
Shalom, Dena
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Permalink Reply by Randy W. Jordan on -
I know there is some value in understanding the names of God, as they reveal His nature. God Our Peace - Jehovah Shalom, God Our Provider – Jehovah Jireh, etc. (I’d be happy to provide a list. If you like) I would encouraage you and others to focus on that, perhaps, as a pertinent study.
“Jehovah/YHWH” are transliterations of the verb “To be”. When God spoke that to Moses, He was revealing His faithfulness in covenant nature to be all He needs to fulfill His purpose and plan in His people. He was saying to Moses, I will be whatever I need to be to be faithful in my covenant with Abraham. We generally see this translated as Jehovah or LORD. Elohim, we generally see translated as God, it means creator. Adonai means Lord or Master and is generally translated as Lord.
As far as I understand it, knowing “a particular” name for Jesus before the incarnation in the heavenlies, if there is one, would hold no particular value. I find myself wondering why you think there is. I also would suggest that any focus that separates Jesus from the Father is foundationally aimed at undermining the deity of Christ Jesus. So you may want to be very careful about what is dug up from such a study (particularly from unorthodox sources such as the JW’s. LDS, and others.) It is foundational for us to understand the unity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as One. This unity has existed from eternity past and will into eternity future.
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."
John 14:7-21 Jesus *said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.”If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Philip *said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." Jesus *said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and {yet} you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how {can} you say, 'Show us the Father'? "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works. "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves. "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater {works} than these he will do; because I go to the Father. "Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. "If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do {it.} "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; {that is} the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, {but} you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. "I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. "After a little while the world will no longer see Me, but you {will} see Me; because I live, you will live also. "In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.
Isaiah 9:6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace
He is most certainly Immanuel – God With Us (Mathew 1:23)
We do know that the God spoke from heaven and called Him “My beloved Son in whom I am well pleased” and put listening to Him above the law and the prophets. So he obviously identified Him as his beloved son and approved of His mission.
Matthew 17:5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, "This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!
He also evidently spoke out of heaven saying the same thing at Jesus baptism by John the Baptist
Matthew 3:17 and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."
In John 1 He is called The Word…and The Light
In Revelation 19 He is revealed again as the Word of God (vs. 13)
And King of Kings and Lord of Lords (vs. 16) and of course The Lamb throughout the Revelation.
John the Baptist called Him the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world. (John 1:29)
In John 8:58 He revealed Himself as I AM… and in verse 59 they pick up stones to stone Him for blasphemy because He speaks the unspeakable name of God in identifying himself. He did the same thing before the trial of the High Priest Mark 14:62 and Luke 22, and in the garden when soldiers fell back (John 18:6), so it is obvious He considered that Name His own.
None of this tells us what He was called in heaven before the incarnation, but it all clearly shows that He was very God and in the eternal purposes of God from before the foundation of the world. In fact the purposes of God are bound up in Him because He is very God.
Again, our foundations are secure in knowing Him now, and understanding that He has been given that name which is above all names, at which every knew will bow and every tongue confess JESUS is LORD. (Philippians 2:9-11)
Let no potential deception neither lead us into lifting up any other name nor drag Him down from being I AM, God the Son, very God.
gratefully redeemed,
Randy
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Permalink Reply by Dena Brehm on
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Thank you for that article, Dan ... and for your heart-hugging post!
I've bookmarked it (the article -- I'm savoring the hug!), and look forward to reading it - thanks!
I like how you think, and how you show your love -- what a beautiful (& preciously rare) combination...!
Shalom, Dena
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