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Started this discussion. Last reply by Dave Packett Sep 14, 2009.

 

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Duncan Hanson replied to Dave Packett's discussion '1's , 2's and 3's or more ?' in the group Britain/UK: Being Simple Church in the UK
Yes, sorry you are right, he had a Bible school' for those moving in the Apostolic, not the Prophetic. He used the title of Apostle. I believe as we network as a 'body', being the Body of Christ we will hear what God is doing…
May 27, 2010
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Duncan Hanson replied to Dave Packett's discussion '1's , 2's and 3's or more ?' in the group Britain/UK: Being Simple Church in the UK
Hi there Dave Yes Andre moved much in the Prophetic, I believe had a Bible School for those believing they had a Prophetic calling on there lives.
May 27, 2010
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Dave Packett replied to Dave Packett's discussion '1's , 2's and 3's or more ?' in the group Britain/UK: Being Simple Church in the UK
Hi Duncan Simple church could be the a natural fit for me if the little "home group" that I have been joined with develops numerically. How we do church isnt the main thing for me its whats really going on in and through our lives so I am…
May 27, 2010
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Duncan Hanson replied to Dave Packett's discussion '1's , 2's and 3's or more ?' in the group Britain/UK: Being Simple Church in the UK
Hi Dave... What can I say, it's sunny, hot, you have the freedom to speak Gods wherever you are...it's good. So you thinking 'then why are you in England?' One word answer brother 'obedience'. I was prophesied over a…
May 26, 2010
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Dave Packett replied to Dave Packett's discussion '1's , 2's and 3's or more ?' in the group Britain/UK: Being Simple Church in the UK
Hi Duncan, based in the West Midlands how was south Africa for you - have meet fols from a afew different emphasis from there recently. All the best
May 26, 2010
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Duncan Hanson replied to Dave Packett's discussion '1's , 2's and 3's or more ?' in the group Britain/UK: Being Simple Church in the UK
Hi Dave.. Just joined up and read your input. Where are you guys, we are in Norfolk (just got back two years ago from South Africa)
May 25, 2010
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Carolyn left a comment for Dave Packett
Ha! Don't you love those connections! Right on, brother. Carolyn
Apr 26, 2010
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Dave Packett left a comment for Chris Jackson
Hello Chris apologies for taking some time to getting back to you. I was watching Andrew Woomack this morning - found it very helpful and it reminded me of your message. I am involved in a small group in Bournville - Simple church is one of the…
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HI, Dave, I see you are a friend of John Walker. Me too. I also see you are in Birmingham England. I have friends who are going to be living in England working with Charis Bible College, a function of Andrew Wommack Ministries. Have you heard of the…
Apr 9, 2010
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Helo Tim interested to hear read (what I can) on your website. I have a good friend in Moscow who is very connected in a wide range of Christian works in Russia / Israel and other regions of the old USSR. I have been a few times in the last few…
Oct 13, 2009
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Good day, How is everything with you, I picked interest on you after going through your short profile and deemed it necessary to write you immediately. I have something very vital to diclose to you, but I found it difficult to express myself here,…
Sep 21, 2009
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Dave Packett replied to Dave Packett's discussion 'Idol or Image'
Not trying to seperate John from anything actually. But also dont see the necessity of the context of his nationality. Because some scholar sees this in Jewish terms - doesnt settle anything you can find any number that will slant things according…
Sep 14, 2009
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Dave Packett commented on Denise Charles's blog post 'A Response to Frank Viola's "A Magna Carta for Restoring the Supremacy of Jesus Christ"'
In the natural we dont always get want we want. In the spiritual we always get what we "want" ( e.g. love of the world or of God). God is seeking those that we trully want (worship) Him in Spirit and Truth - he wants to help us all in…
Sep 11, 2009
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That we might live through Him

The Apostle John seems to like repeating himself – perhaps this is a means of reinforcing what he is seeing – perhaps he can’t help himself as in awe he has been chosen to speak living words that impact us more that we could “ask or think possible”. Often times he will repeat a stanza within the same verse of paragraph – other times themes are repeated with subtle and profound differences across his writings.John authored perhaps the most famous verse in the Bible – namely – John 3:16For God so…See More
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Dave Packett replied to Dave Packett's discussion 'Idol or Image'
Kello Michael Seems to me that if this is an example of a "good Jewish" attempt to ungentile gentiles it would have been a lot more direct in many more places. The ultimate context is IMO a communion with the spiritual position of the…
Sep 11, 2009

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That we might live through Him

The Apostle John seems to like repeating himself – perhaps this is a means of reinforcing what he is seeing – perhaps he can’t help himself as in awe he has been chosen to speak living words that impact us more that we could “ask or think possible”. Often times he will repeat a stanza within the same verse of paragraph – other times themes are repeated with subtle and profound differences across his writings.

John authored perhaps the most famous verse in the Bible – namely – John… Continue

Posted on September 11, 2009 at 2:23am

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Idol or Image

Idol or Image



At the end of I John their appears a slightly unexpected even out of place reference to idols

“Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.”

There seems no direct correlation with images of false Gods – or even to what we might apply a sense of idolatary to i.e. fame, power, ambition, sex life, money etc

The previous verse is a summary of most of the epistle

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we… Continue

Posted on September 9, 2009 at 9:42am

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How we do church ! - Focus on Jesus.

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In Sept 2008 I was asked by a brother to describe (“how we do church”). I believe the brother was prompted by God out of a place of prophetic ministry in a place of fellowship that we were experiencing together. We had had several words speaking of aspects of Gods preparation and the way forward. One was about being a “signpost” such as is found at Lands End , Cape Town or John o Groats. This we saw as a picture of a place which would show people how far away they were from this… Continue

Posted on August 11, 2009 at 1:51am — 1 Comment

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At 2:31am on August 12, 2009, PETER EGGLETONPETER EGGLETON said…
Hi David
Lovely to hear from you.
Send me an email and I will tell you all about myself.
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MY VISION

The New Testament Church

The revival of the Church would be guaranteed by following the simple principles and practices of the Early Church as recorded in the New Testament.
The first Christians met together, mainly in houses, to exercise the spiritual gifts described in 1 Corinthians Chapter 12 and to have a meal together to remember their Lord, Acts 2 v 46. If you walked into a meeting in early church times you would be hard pressed to find who the leaders were. The leaders had no title as Jesus had forbidden them to have one, Matthew 23 vs 1-12. The apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, (note not THE Pastor ), and teachers, were simply there to make sure that every believer was fulfilling their ministry, Ephesians 4 vs 11,12, NOT to do their ministry for them! Under the new covenant the Bible states that ALL believers are priests, 1 Peter 2 vs 5,9. Revelation 1 vs 4-6. 1 Peter 5 vs 1-4 describes how leaders are to behave and Jesus sets an example for us all in John 13 vs 1-15. Luke 9 vs 46-48 and Luke 22 vs 24-27 describe how we can be great in the kingdom of God!
Over the centuries these Biblical principles were abandoned and a system was introduced whereby leaders in the Church became known as the clergy and the rest were called the laity. The same meaning applies to Pastor and flock, Minister and congregation, Leading Elder and believers etc… The title may change but the same principle remains - the leaders are active the rest of the church are passive. The faithful roll up for services or meetings to hear a message or sermon, sing hymns, say prayers. Some may even be privileged to take part in some way, or to take turns with the ministry. All this is a far cry from what happened in the New Testament Church as recorded in the Bible.
In 1 Corinthians chapter 12 the church is described as a body with every member having a function. Each function is of equal importance, in fact Paul states that those who seem to be weaker members are indispensable v 22. God has given greater honour to those who lack honour so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other, vs 24 & 25. In order to have a strong Church everyone must take part, 1 Corinthians 14 v 26. When every part of a human body is functioning much can be accomplished. How much more could be accomplished if every member of the church were to use the gift God has given them! Satan would be defeated in no time! The Church would be revived immediately, GUARANTEED! Miracles, as in the early Church would be normal! There would be no lack anywhere! Instead of spending millions on the upkeep of buildings money could be channelled towards people!
I appeal to those who are now calling themselves Pastor, Reverend, Father, Minister, Leading Elder or some other title, LET GODS' PEOPLE GO! Remember you will have to answer to your Lord for holding Gods' people back. You may not have been aware that you have been holding the Church back, but now it should be abundantly clear. This is so important so I pray that if you still refuse to let the Church go free, your Fathers loving discipline will enable you to do so.
These views are not new and have been held to some degree by George Fox and the first Quakers, John Wesley and the first Methodists, the Plymouth Brethren and more recently Watchman Nee, the Pentecostal Movement and the House Church Movement. None of these however have expressed the full function of 1 Corinthians 12 and in these last days the Lord is returning for a Church without spot or wrinkle; every member fully functioning.
I can honestly say that over the 30 years of stating these things nobody has disagreed with me. If they had disagreed they would have had to disagree with the Bible. I have heard many excuses. Amongst them, 'things are different nowadays', 'it's impossible', and the devil's biggest lie, 'if you find a perfect Church join it'! It is no accident that 1 Corinthians chapter 13, the great love chapter, follows on from the great body ministry chapter, 12. These things can only work by 'being devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honouring one another above yourselves', Romans 12 v 10. 'Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love' Ephesians 4 v 2.
'From Him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, AS EACH PART DOES ITS WORK', Ephesians 4 v 16.
Something else that was introduced along with the pastoral system was the dedication of buildings to God. These became known as churches. The Bible clearly states that Christians are God's dwelling place, Ephesians 2 v 22. They are God's building, the temple of God's Spirit, 1 Corinthians 3 vs 9,16. Paul preaching at Athens states that God does not dwell in temples built by hands, Acts 17 v 24. Today we still accept the devil's lie, we even use his terminology. We talk about 'going to church' and 'at church we did this or that'. Satan will do anything to make us think it all happens in a building and probably only on a Sunday! Jesus was clear as to where we should worship, John 4 vs 1-24.
The first Christians met together mainly in houses, Romans 16 v 5, 1 Corinthians 16 v19, Colossians 4 v 15, Philemon v 2. The apostles taught from house to house and used larger houses and places when necessary, Acts 20 vs 7-9, Acts 5 v 42. In the house meetings they would share their spiritual gifts and perhaps have a love meal together, Jude v 12, hold a prayer meeting, Acts 12 v 12, or break bread together, Acts 2 v 46. The house is a place for family. Are not Christians God's family?
Something else that has changed from New Testament times is the introduction of denominations. Denominations, or as they are called in the Bible, factions, are listed amongst the most foul sins of the flesh, Galatians 5 vs 19-21. Jesus prayed that His followers might be one, John 17 vs 20-23. The Apostles recognised only ONE Church in ONE place. Paul did not address letters to the Churches in Corinth or the Churches in Ephesus. He did however write to the Churches in Galatia because that was a region composed of different places. In fact Paul wrote a very strong letter to the Corinthians because divisions were beginning to form, 1 Corinthians vs 10-17. He asked them the question, 'Is Christ divided'? We have mentioned already that the Bible describes the Church as Christ's body, 1 Corinthians 12 vs 12-31. Further references are Romans 12 vs 4,5,
1 Corinthians 10 v 17, Ephesians 1 vs 22,23, Ephesians 3 v 6, Ephesians 4 v 25, Ephesians 5 v 30, Colossians 1 v 18, 24 and Colossians 3 v 15.
Satan will do anything to try to destroy the unity of the body. However he can only do this outwardly as Christ CANNOT be divided even as our own bodies cannot. We cannot bring denominations together to create
unity without recognising that this unity already exists. If we attempt to do so we only create a large organisation when Christ's body is in fact an organism. Christ's body is NOT divided and never can be! This is the only basis on which we can meet together as a Church; recognising we are His body. The way in which we treat our brothers and sisters is the way in which we treat Christ. Yes there are many problems associated with following these principles. Yes there will be need for discipline and leadership. I recognise that in the present denominational set up there are good people with leadership and teaching gifts. In fact many of them have helped me greatly in my walk with the Lord. I appeal to such people to bring God's people to a recognition of their oneness in Christ and to encourage, enable, and release them to fulfil the ministry the Lord has gifted them for. After all, one person, or even a few people, cannot take the stresses and strains of leadership and ministry even as one part of the human body cannot do the work of the other parts. Jesus's burden is light and His yoke is easy!

Peter Eggleton
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At 7:30am on April 9, 2010, CarolynCarolyn said…
HI, Dave, I see you are a friend of John Walker. Me too. I also see you are in Birmingham England. I have friends who are going to be living in England working with Charis Bible College, a function of Andrew Wommack Ministries. Have you heard of the college or that ministry there? Carolyn
At 5:18am on April 26, 2010, CarolynCarolyn said…
Ha! Don't you love those connections! Right on, brother. Carolyn

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