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Danger of Being Led by One's Own Mind and not Scripture
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I recently spent time with a brother who,when the conversation turned to a controversial subject, choice to essentially reject the very clear and obvious teaching because it offended him. Death to…Continue
Started this discussion. Last reply by Marshall Diakon Mar 27, 2012.
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Marshall Diakon replied to Joseph Swartz's discussion Danger of Being Led by One's Own Mind and not Scripture"Joseph, there are no small number of folks who find doctrine as being their faith, rather than living faith in Christ. They may recline without the Spirit into correct teachings which do not bear life or fruit in them. While there may be no such…"
Mike Donahoe left a comment for Joseph Swartz"Hi Joe, hope you are having a good day. I thought I had sent a reply to this post, but I dont' see it. Not sure if it got to you or not. I also sent you a message through Facebook about meeting next week. Let me know if that will work for you.…"
Marshall Diakon replied to Joseph Swartz's discussion Danger of Being Led by One's Own Mind and not Scripture"Yes. Then further, we know Scripture to be of little worth without the Spirit's interpretive understanding for/with it (which cannot be reduced to paper). So then, even with great efforts to context, men reliably fail into doctrines that are of…"
Danger of Being Led by One's Own Mind and not Scripture
I recently spent time with a brother who,when the conversation turned to a controversial subject, choice to essentially reject the very clear and obvious teaching because it offended him. Death to self may well come at a high cost to one's own will or subjective dislikes but we need to die nevertheless. When the standard becomes that which displeases and not Scripture, and you begin holding to self-amittedly weak proof texts as a counter to clear Scriptural teaching you are heading down a…See More
Marshall Diakon left a comment for Joseph Swartz"to "leadership" and "oversight", a significant adjustment from the traditional would be in how these are recognized. Saints leading are recognized in their faithful leading; those overseeing are understood as overseeing by their…"
"I'd like to have others join in on the discussion and 'hear' what they have to 'say'."
"...manner, but in keeping with passages such as Matthew 20:25-28 w/ Philippians 2:5-7a."
"...The previous verses, clearly teaching roles of leadership must find there expression not in the all too often abused traditional..."
"...leadership in the church. There is no 'new wineskin' if what's being refered to is the effective rejection of NT leadership..."
"NT passages such as 1Thess. 5:12-13,Hebrews 13:7,17,24, 1 Tim. Cptr. 3,5:17,Acts 20:28,1 Peter 5:1-3 speak to the reality of..."
"...and throw off leadership.The abuses of leadership should be a cause for reformation within but not getting rid of..."
"One of my concerns with the organic movement, and believe me, i'm all for it, is that people will ignore the clear teachings of the NT..."
Mary McKean replied to Joseph Swartz's discussion Looking for the real thing in Columbus area in the group Columbus and Central Ohio"Joe,
We are a group of ten to fourteen people (depending on the week) who have been meeting for about eight months - but still very new! I'd love to get together for lunch or coffee, or just chat on the phone. Email me with…"
Marshall Diakon left a comment for Joseph Swartz"Joe,
if you will, write me direct by e-mail for contact information.
diakon2@gmail.com
blessings!
Marshall Diakon"
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- At 11:02am on February 8, 2012, Marshall Diakon said…
Joe,
there are at least 10 simple/organic gatherings in the Columbus area. How many have you visited nearby, and what have you found among them?
Marshall Diakon
diakon2@gmail.com
- At 4:53pm on February 8, 2012, Marshall Diakon said…
Joe,
if you will, write me direct by e-mail for contact information.
diakon2@gmail.com
blessings!
Marshall Diakon
- At 4:55pm on February 9, 2012, Marshall Diakon said…
to "leadership" and "oversight", a significant adjustment from the traditional would be in how these are recognized. Saints leading are recognized in their faithful leading; those overseeing are understood as overseeing by their faithful demonstration of oversight. Acts 20:28, where the Holy Spirit (not politic) appoints and no one watching would doubt as they see Him enable His choice(s). To contrast, the religious system western-styled "office" positions are rapidly falling away.
To Hebrews 13, with help from the Concordant translation: "Be remembering those of your leaders who speak to you the word of God, contemplating the sequel [what follows] of their behavior, whose faith [faithfulness] be imitating. ... be persuaded by your leaders, and be deferring to them, for they are vigilant for the sake of your souls, as having to render an account, that they may be doing this with joy, and not with groaning, for this is disadvantageous for you."
observing that I Timothy 3 is becoming better understood as a caveat. In other words, anyone who thinks he will be overseeing or as a shepherd to the flock of God, and that man is flagged via I Timothy 3 or Titus 1 content, we know together how he is on-course to failure. as example, if a man who is not known hospitable thinks himself to act today in supervision with the ekklesia, the saints are most unlikely to regard his well-meaning effort. Instead, they will promptly encourage him to first seek from God a grace in hospitality.
I Peter 5 presents an invitation-encouragement-admonition for elders (olders) to move in/toward "shepherd the flocket of God". Not all elders will be able or prepared to shepherd in His flock. (Seeing more clearly now that it is elders (olders) who are ideally appointed as overseers, shepherds, deacons...)
While there are a few small groups who, for fear or misunderstanding, set aside the possibility of "leading" to be occurring in the ekklesia, the broader transformation is in how leading, serving, and supervising manifest. We're shedding the old for the new (that's really older still).
- At 2:53pm on February 14, 2012, Mike Donahoe said…
Hi Joe, hope you are having a good day. I thought I had sent a reply to this post, but I dont' see it. Not sure if it got to you or not. I also sent you a message through Facebook about meeting next week. Let me know if that will work for you. Hope you guys have a nice evening. Talk to you soon.
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