I agree Timothy and would very much a dialogue with you on this matter because I like the spirit I sense in your words. We truly fall short of the desire our Savior prayed for in John 17 and I have personally been guilty of disunity at times…
hi....no it is not very hispanic and that is why most people now know me as santiago which is my middle name in spanish.....and I have been planting church's all of my life, but only recently realized that it is what i have been doing, and am excited to move forward and watch things grow... i will add more soon to my profile, excited to see that people are actively using and communicating through this website...stay strong..... a fellow servant
My dh and I have been married 30 yrs. We disagree and argue and often, hourly some days. :) or we don't talk and give each other a time out. We fall far short of the high standard we hold our marriage relationship to but we always forgive each other when all is said and done.
Happy marriage secret #1 - We are committed to God and we are committed to each other.
this sounds like 99 percent of the couples that i knew growing up in very traditional settings, and just feel like there should be more of a visible difference among true christians than marriages of this world....while commitment is good, to me, it's not enough.... i think of my relationship with my wife nearly the same as i do my relationship with Jesus.....and hourly arguments with Jesus would make me deeply consider whether or not i would be under His grace on judgement day....i can't understand why even "christians" cant debate or discuss w/o arguing
I think Christian marriages are made up of Christians, sinful people who are trying to follow Jesus but fall far short.
But I'm thinking you're thinking of arguing as something much different than I am. I'm thinking you're thinking not of a heated disagreement but a verbal knockdown, dragout fight. Ugly... very ugly... especially to the children who feel the negative emotion so deeply... it shouldn't be... but yet it is...sin...
there are 3 forms of argument 1 and 2 being great tools....1....To endeavor to convince....2.....To Discuss.........but, when i normally use this word "argue" it is associated in the following form....3......quarrel....which is defined as.....a dispute or disagreement, especially one marked by anger and/or deep resentment....to find fault....to complain.....to dispute heatedly....to have a breach in friendship....and is taught against frequently in the bible...i don't feel it is quite as extreme as you put it, to where its a knock-out verbally, but, leaning to that side yes....also i feel you should read a commentary on romans 3....falling short is in referral to those who are/were under the law.....and that we don't have to fall way short, because we are not justified by the law, but through faith....thanks for sharing your feelings
If I read a commentary on Romans 3 I'll always be for better and never for worse and my marriage will be in the elite 1% like yours and Michael's? Will any commentary work or is there one particularly gifted commentator you could point me to?
I think I read somewhere that the word group for "falling short" - hamartia, hamartema, hamartano etc had a pretty broad use in many different places in the Bible but I probably got that all wrong, or mixed up.
LORD have mercy on me, I'm in the all wrong, mixed up 99% married sinner category.
hey.... i pray you aren't writing me with an angry spirit....we should be able to share our hearts while keeping the spirit of Christ at the forefront....also, i'm sorry if it sounded like I said other-wise, but, without the spirit guiding me and helping me, there is no book that I can read that will change who I am, I always make sure that I don't study, or read the bible without first knowing that I am full of the spirit and can set my personal interpretations aside....not even the bible!!
now....my suggestion for romans 3 wasn't about just the marriage, i simply felt it was out of context when you used it, and maybe hearing it from another point of view would help....any commentary will work, i usually start with matthew henry, but there are other good ones....just remember that while perhaps led by God while writing, all things need to be tested against scripture, make sure you do that...